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Toni D
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 14:40 |
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Pediatricians double vitamin D recommendations. Here's the article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081013/ap_on_he_me/med_vitamin_d_kids
In my opinion they should have printed their last paragraph first! We really have to protect our families with the knowledge we've gleaned from the MP folks.
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Aunt Diana
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 15:41 |
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| I am getting so tired of all the conflicts of interest that seem to be so pervasive everywhere I look....You are so right, Toni....that last paragraph should be in capital letters....It's very discouraging to see how people are so easily led and don't think for themselves at all. The writer of this article should have said..."Say, what?..me thinks I'll look into this connection."...now there would be an article worthy of writing"
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 16:03 |
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You can write the Associated Press directly at: <info@ap.org>
You may want to note you are responding to an article written by LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer.
I quoted the full article after my comments.
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Deb Grabetz
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 12:51 |
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Dr. Mercola is at it again! Recommending supplementation of Vitamin D. In another link I just watched, Dr. Mercola is selling his very own in home tanning bed. I've attached this link below.
What did I find particularily interesting from this video clip??? Dr. Mercola begins his talk with--"Cancer has surpassed heart disease in the last two years as the #1 killer." Stressing the fact that we are not getting enough sun and need more Vitamin D. The media keeps promoting Vitamin D, doubling the requirements for kids, putting in more additives and YET people are getting sicker and cancer has taken over???? So let me understand this properly, we're consuming more Vitamin D and getting sicker???!
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/02/23/vitamin-d-deficiency-part-one.aspx
EDIT by Deb:
From the same video above, the following information is included!!!!
People Who Should Avoid Vitamin D
If you have sarcoidosis, tuberculosis, or lymphoma, it would be best for you to avoid oral vitamin D supplementation based on this test. It is recommended that you perform the 1,25(OH)D test before you supplement with any sun exposure or oral vitamin D as it is a better indicator in people with this health challenge.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 18:31 |
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As for Dr Mercola touting a tanning bed, it has something to do with "where the sun don't shine", but I can't remember the exact phrase just now...
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Toni D
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 18:39 |
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Laughter is good like a medicine ...thank you, Knochen .
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 17:56 |
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Yes, I'd read Mercola for many yrs & had even recommended it to others. Now, I really wish I could un-recommend that website. Well I have, with the friends I can remember. LOL 
Also, my LLMD had recommended that I use a Far Infra red sauna. I bought one in 2001, but each summer had to stop using it - due to feeling so sick. Thank you Dr Marshall for figuring out why I felt so bad...no one else could. Anyone want a Far IR sauna?
Sitting in a sauna also has something to do with...."where the sun don't shine".
Thanks Knochen for the visual aid!
There is a lot of un-learning (and learning MP ), but geeeee does it feel good!
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Toni D
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 13:22 |
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Martha,
You may be able to unload the sauna on craigslist and recoup some of your money for MP needs. Just a thought.
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 21:42 |
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Martha,
I also have a far infra red sauna -- Maybe we could find someone who wants a pair????
Truly there is alot to learn/unlearn and experience in a life time.
Life is a blessing the challenges just bring that out more. Thankfully God never changes.
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Posted: Sun Nov 2nd, 2008 00:17 |
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Very good thoughts, Toni & Sue. I had thought of Craig's list, just need to follow thru.
You are so right Sue, Life is full of challenges...thank goodness or I'd still be using my sauna & taking handfuls of supplements to try and feel a little better. Yes, God is consistent and sometimes it takes a big blow to redirect a person.
It bothers me with all the various propaganda pathways being given regarding health, especially to our children. Thank goodness for this site & Dr Marshall and his MP pioneers. I know there are many hours volunteered to maintain our ability to find true health.
We've all taken a Leap of Faith to be here. Contrary to what we still read & hear. ~ Martha
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Deb Grabetz
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 12:20 |
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Hello all!
This weekend was spent with a favorite aunt of mine in Louisville---She is pretty familiar with all that I'm doing on the MP with light avoidance, Vitamin D avoidance and meds. Her doctor recently put her on a Vitamin D script, yes an actual script for gel caps. As she was reading through the warnings that are included with all drugs, it is noted for this Vitamin D script: NOT TO USE VITAMIN D AS A SUPPLEMENT IF YOU HAVE SARCOIDOSIS, LEUKEMIA OR LYMPHOMA. It is good to see this kind of progress, although look at all of the Th1 diseases that are not being represented in these warnings. Of course a big issue for all those who are unaware of their th1 disease.
Interestingly, my aunt has lupus and sjogrens---I'm hoping that she will at some point committ to the MP as she has had ill health for years. But let's think about this---One of the things she has done for many years with the lupus issue is avoid the sun at all costs. She is very fair skinned and when we've done sun vacations, has always stayed indoors or covered when she ventures out! Never would I have guessed years ago that I would be following in her footsteps....So now after all these years of avoiding the sun, her current doctor is putting her on Vitamin D supplementation. We talked about this and she is going to talk to the doctor on her next visit......Doesn't make a lot of sense now does it? She told me she hadn't even made the connection herself until we started talking about it!
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 20:36 |
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Deb,
What is it, exactly, that doctors give as the reason that lupus patients need to avoid the sun? I know they are supposed to, but I guess I don't know why. Also, people on Mino are supposed to avoid the sun, but it is usually told to them that they will burn easier. Why is that? For years I was on various ABX for "adult acne" and I didn't really feel all that more sensitive to the sun, but the color of my tan kind of changed over time. Weird stuff.
They do seem to give mixed messages, don't they?
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Deb Grabetz
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 11:00 |
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This information was posted on a Sarc support site by one of our MP members. It is an Excel spreadsheet of over 1800 foods which contain Vitamin D. These are all listed in order of Vitamin D content. Obviously, fish, milk and eggs are in the first 150 listings! I thought this to be very good information! This member also mentioned that mother's breast milk does not contain D!!!! Thanks Pat!
Footnote: Salmon, tuna and halibut are in the top 25. These were the three foods that I had increased in my diet within the three-four months before I became so ill, two years ago. Once I learned about Vitamin D from the MP site, I knew immediately the connection to my illness. By ingesting such large amounts of D, I had put an unusually high strain on my already low functioning body. If you would like a copy of this---Highlight the listings below and print from your computer. Good resource!
Nutrient Reports Per Reasonable Portion Size IMPORTANT NOTE: D LEVEL IS PER SERVING SIZE
All the data can be found in this PDF file:
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/VitD_content_of_foods.pdf
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 11:35 |
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Excellent, Deb. DId you get the Excel file as well as the PDF? We can put it online as a reference, if so...
Remember that 5 micrograms is 200IU (which is 200IU too much )
Also, there is an interesting paper describing fortification in the US and Canada at URL:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/80/6/1710S.pdf
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 12:15 |
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I really enjoy New Zealand lamb too! (Only as a treat, though.)Dr. Marshall wrote: "5 micrograms is 200IU (which is 200IU too much )"
So the math says... (and who eats it raw, I'd like to know!) ... any amount is too much!
Did they say how they determined the amounts?
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Deb Grabetz
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 12:58 |
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*Now that I look at these values, I cannot believe the amounts of salmon I was eating. These values for salmon are close to cod liver oil which is 4.5X the recommended daily allowance for Vitamin D and in my case 4.5X too much!
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 14:29 |
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Ok, I don't know where the original page was posted, but I copied this chart from the FAQs when I first got started on the MP 14 months ago. Maybe we can figure out where the math went wrong...
Food Sources of Vitamin D
USDA databases compiled in the 1980s list the following foods as rich in vitamin D. The amounts given are for 100 grams or about 3 1/2 ounces.
IU D
Cod Liver Oil 10,000
Lard (Pork Fat) 2,800
Atlantic Herring (Pickled) 680
Eastern Oysters (Steamed) 642
Catfish (Steamed/Poached) 500
Skinless Sardines (Water Packed) 480
Mackerel (Canned/Drained) 450
Smoked Chinook Salmon 320
Sturgeon Roe 232
Shrimp (Canned/Drained) 172
Egg Yolk (Fresh) 148
Butter 56
Lamb Liver (Braised) 20
Beef Tallow 19
Pork Liver (Braised) 12
Beef Liver (Fried) 12
Beef Tripe (Raw) 12
Beef Kidney (Simmered) 12
Chicken Livers (Simmered) 12
Small Clams (Steamed/Cooked Moist) 8
Blue Crab (Steamed) 4
Crayfish/Crawdads (Steamed) 4
Northern Lobster (Steamed) 4
One egg yolk is approximately 24 IU
One tablespoon of butter is approximately 6 IU
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 14:33 |
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old chart says: 1 egg yolk is approx. 24 IU (1ug=40IU)
this database says:
127 Egg, chicken, yolk, fresh, raw
4 egg yolks
68.00
2.516
68.00 x 2.516 divided by 4 is 43ug =>
so for eggs...
edit1: arg... I've got mixed units...
edit2: maybe the values aren't multiplied...
so, what if it's 2.516 ug * 40 / 4 = 25 IU ... ahhhh... beautiful mathematics!
Comment by TM: Indeed, those nutrient values are per serving, no multiplication needed
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 14:34 |
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| Look at that cod liver oil.........ohhhhhhhh No wonder I've been sick most of my life!
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 15:01 |
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Ok, I have gone over the Health Canada database you linked to Deb, and this is the main thing to remember... we are trying to stay below about 20 IU per day (D in our food) and 20 IU is the same as 0.5 µg... so, any foods above 0.5 µg in this chart are the ones to carefully avoid.
All the data can be found in this PDF file:
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/VitD_content_of_foods.pdf
Here is a sample:
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4 2991 Carp, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 22.239
5 3221 Salmon, pink (humpback), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 21.578
6 457 Fish oil, cod liver 10ml 9.21 21.376
7 3004 Eel, mixed species, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 20.979
8 3159 Salmon, pink (humpback), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 19.125
9 3075 Swordfish, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 17.820
10 3005 Eel, mixed species, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 17.482
11 3080 Tuna, bluefin, fresh, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 17.250
12 3053 Salmon, sockeye (red), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 16.950
13 3157 Salmon, chinook (spring), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 16.950
14 3079 Tuna, bluefin, fresh, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 16.200
15 3228 Salmon, pink (humpback), poached 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 16.144
16 3051 Salmon, chinook (spring), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 15.894
17 3052 Salmon, sockeye (red), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 15.894
18 2124 Mushroom, shiitake, dried 10 mushrooms 36.00 14.940
19 3076 Swordfish, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 14.850
20 3219 Salmon, coho, wild, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 14.625
21 3223 Salmon, sockeye (red), canned, solids with bone and liquid, salted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 14.625
22 3226 Salmon, sockeye (red), canned, solids with bone and liquid, unsalted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 14.625
23 3217 Salmon, chum (keta), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 14.265
24 3143 Halibut, Greenland (turbot), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 14.250
25 3158 Salmon, chum (keta), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 14.025
26 3013 Halibut, Greenland (turbot), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 13.500
27 3160 Scup (porgy), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 13.425
28 3227 Salmon, chum (keta), poached 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 12.769
29 3016 Herring, atlantic, pickled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 12.750
30 3193 Salmon, coho, wild, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 12.675
31 3055 Scup (porgy), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 12.600
32 3220 Salmon, coho, wild, poached 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 11.400
33 2993 Catfish, channel (bullhead), wild, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 11.250
34 3169 Whitefish, lake, native, baked 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 11.250
35 3222 Salmon, pink (humpback), canned, solids with bone and liquid, salted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 10.894
36 3225 Salmon, pink (humpback), canned, solids with bone and liquid, unsalted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 10.894
37 3045 Roe, mixed species, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 10.890
38 3208 Whitefish, lake, native, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 10.764
39 3179 Catfish, channel (bullhead), wild, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 10.650
40 3088 Whitefish, lake, mixed species, native, smoked 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 9.750
41 3166 Tuna, skipjack (aku), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 9.525
42 3154 Roe, mixed species, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 9.075
43 3054 Sardine, pacific, canned in tomato sauce, drained with bones 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 9.000
44 3082 Tuna, skipjack (aku), fresh, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 9.000
45 3050 Salmon, chinook (spring), smoked 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 7.875
46 3129 Salmon, chinook (spring), smoked, lox 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 7.875
47 3118 Mollusks, oyster, eastern (blue point), wild, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 7.200
48 3122 Mollusks, oyster, pacific, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 7.200
49 3156 Salmon, atlantic, wild, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 6.150
50 3120 Mollusks, oyster, eastern (blue point), wild, boiled or steamed 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 6.000
51 3177 Mollusks, oyster, pacific, boiled or steamed 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 6.000
52 3190 Mollusks, oyster, eastern (blue point), wild, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 6.000
53 3205 Trout, rainbow, wild, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 5.967
54 3049 Salmon, atlantic, wild, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 5.733
55 663 Duck, domesticated, flesh and skin, roasted 100g 100.00 5.500
56 3182 Salmon, atlantic, farmed, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 5.430
57 4781 Lamb, American, composite cuts, lean and fat, 3mm (1/8") trim, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 5.400
58 3206 Trout, rainbow, wild, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 5.250
59 3183 Salmon, atlantic, farmed, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 5.100
60 3218 Salmon, chum (keta), canned, drained, solids with bone, salted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 5.040
61 3186 Trout, rainbow, farmed, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 4.833
62 3187 Trout, rainbow, farmed, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 4.792
63 3023 Mackerel, jack, canned, drained solids 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 4.725
64 3130 Salmon, chum (keta), canned, drained solids with bone, unsalted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 4.200
65 4577 Fast foods, entree, oysters, battered or breaded, fried 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 4.118
66 3015 Herring, atlantic, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 4.050
67 3014 Herring, atlantic, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 3.762
68 3215 Trout, mixed species, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 3.750
69 3012 Halibut, atlantic or pacific, baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 3.600
70 3204 Trout, mixed species, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 3.483
71 3151 Pickerel, walleye-pickerel (yellow pike), baked or broiled 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 3.450
72 3200 Halibut, atlantic or pacific, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 3.375
73 3230 Arctic char, native, raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 3.348
74 670 Goose, domesticated, flesh and skin, roasted 1 food guide serving = 75g 75.00 3.225
75 3202 Pickerel, walleye-pickerel (yellow pike), raw 1 food guide serving = 90g 90.00 3.222
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