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Juanita
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 19:20 |
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We just hit a wall with our benicar supplier. We have been using Medi-Save out of British Columbia, Canada and though we were having troubles with placing a large order due to the bank's rules about credit cards and on-line drug order, they were treating us pretty well and we were happy.
Until this last order got sent back by customs because somebody shipped our British brand name through China and Canada doesn't allow Chinese drugs into the country. Some customs officer clearly wasn't reading labels well that day.
Now we are getting the run-around with Medi-save. Though they know that we are running out of benicar and it's medically needed, that's not their problem. And they won't be re-ordering the shipment that got sent back until their head pharmacist comes back to work next week. Despite our clarity that we need it within a week and that's why we ordered it three weeks ago.
Does anybody have a Canadian drug company that they can suggest as they are happy with the service that pharmacy gives to them?
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Juanita
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 19:39 |
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Going through the list of companies listed in the main MP information site, only one would open (which usually means those other companies won't deal with Canadians) and they sell German made benicar. Anybody deal with CanadaGeneric.com? What are they like?
I'm a desperate woman and pissed. This is the second company to bail on us. We have 100% insurance coverage for drugs and a happily compliant doctor so we can do the MP easy-peasy. And then the supply companies hassle us????? Holy Moly. Unfair, dudes, unfair.
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MCS, CFS, FM, CS, DH, stroke neuro, seizures, skin ca, IBS, eczema, irregular heartbeat| NoIR avoid light and D| Sept 21/07 25D-40.8ng/ml| May 7, 07 1,25D-35.8pg/ml
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 19:50 |
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Canadageneric.com and NorthWestPharmacy.com both ship the Indian Olmecip through either Germany or the UK. Delivery can be two weeks, however...
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Juanita
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 20:02 |
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Okay. So... update. Now they say we need a special customs Canada ticket/permission slip as this is a customs problem. So my guy has an appointment set up to see our doctor as she has to request this permission. Once granted, then we can use our own local pharmacist as he'll order the benicar direct from England himself.
So unless Medisave can pull something off.... we are definitely going to end up going cold turkey.
Are any other Canadians having this problem?
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Juanita
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 20:04 |
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Hi, Dr Marshall. Thank you for posting. 
PS, love your treatment. 
Last edited on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 20:42 by Juanita
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Knochen
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 23:44 |
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Does the doc have any samples to tide you over?
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Reiter's Syndrome 25+ yrs, fatigue, joints, muscles, migraine, brainfog| 25D 6 ng/ml |Benicar May06|Ph1 June06|Ph 2 Sept06|Ph 3 Jan 07|NoIRs K-Cream Zinc Oxide cream - Always covered!
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 00:36 |
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'Going cold-turkey' is dangerous. How many weeks until you get to that point? Is your Doctor trying to help?
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JohnMcC
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 01:02 |
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Hello Juanita,
Have you tried Yetvart from Montreal?
If you need the details either they are on the main MP site or I can forward to you.
John
Last edited on Thu Oct 30th, 2008 01:29 by JohnMcC
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JanEE
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 01:08 |
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I just got off the phone about 15 minutes ago setting up an account with NorthWestPharmacy.com. in Canada. The woman on the phone was extremely nice. I ordered two packs of 120 - 40mg tablets for $154.66 (I could have ordered three). Shipping free on that amount. I would have ordered online, but had some questions to ask so gave them a toll free call at 1-866-539-5330
I hit the donut hole in my Part D insurance and, providing nothing goes wrong, I've saved $446. 92. The only block now would be customs, as it sounds as though it can come from other countries as well. I had a doctor appointment yesterday and was given some information that came from another patient that said her "shipment was unopened by customs and had a declaration of "health items" from Switzerland". They say on their web site that shipment can take up to 3 weeks, but hers arrived in 15 days. So I'm hoping for the best.
Good luck in your quest.
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Juanita
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 02:33 |
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Cold turkey is what we are aiming not to experience. We'll figure this out. Our doctor is super supportive, but as Canada doesn't acknowledge benicar, she won't have any samples to share. I know that she would in a heartbeat if she did have any.
We still have the original copies of prescriptions so we could go with the Quebec business if we have to. And I'm pretty sure he'd speed mail it if we paid the extra. He is our 'last hope' choice. We'd prefer to stay with brand name as we'd all noticed that for us it was more effective than compound. The Glebe compound worked well enough, it was just missing that little extra va-va-voom that the British brand name brings.
The Medi-save customer services person got a hold of my husband this afternoon to say that they were taking this very seriously as they can't afford for customs to be doing this to their customers. Obviously, this isn't good for business as well. So we are still hoping that they will speed mail us this batch and make it come here straight from England and not through China.
It doesn't sound as if this is a routine situation with them. So our fingers are still crossed that this will be resolved. I'll keep you all posted. If they turn out to be a responsive and bend over backwards to help us now that they are listening, then maybe they could be put on the Canadian supply list. We'll see how this plays out.
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MCS, CFS, FM, CS, DH, stroke neuro, seizures, skin ca, IBS, eczema, irregular heartbeat| NoIR avoid light and D| Sept 21/07 25D-40.8ng/ml| May 7, 07 1,25D-35.8pg/ml
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 03:51 |
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There is no difference between the Sankyo product and the Cipla product. If anything, the lack of a tablet coating in the Indian product speeds absorption, which is beneficial when you are frequently dosing for the MP.
Yetvart's formulation is slow-release, however, and that should be used in a different way (eg to last overnight), and in addition to bolus 40mg oral doses.
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JohnMcC
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 13:38 |
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Hello Dr Marshall,
While I don't know any difference as Yetvart's is the only beni that I have tried - I understood that time release was a requested formulation and not his standard.
Is this incorrect ?
Thanks
John
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Diagnosed by biopsy Jan '93 Lung,lymphnodes, skin lesions X lots, depression, fatigue.
25/09/08(25D-30 1,25D-63 ACE 35)
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 15:27 |
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I don't know, John. Yetvart has produced his formulations without letting me know what they are, I haven't any idea what he is producing
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Juanita
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 22:44 |
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Oh, thank you for that Cipla information, Dr Marshall! I did not know that, I was still thinking it was slightly substandard to brand name. That opens up more Canadian suppliers for us, then.
I haven't heard from Martin yet, so have no updates.
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MCS, CFS, FM, CS, DH, stroke neuro, seizures, skin ca, IBS, eczema, irregular heartbeat| NoIR avoid light and D| Sept 21/07 25D-40.8ng/ml| May 7, 07 1,25D-35.8pg/ml
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Markt9452
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 04:05 |
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John I believe that the Montreal standard is the time release formulation.
I haven't been using anything except the time release version for quite a while now which I thought was OK but now I'm starting to wonder if that's right.
I am somewhat concerned that this is the first that I've heard about this...
Yetvart's formulation is slow-release, however, and that should be used in a different way (eg to last overnight), and in addition to bolus 40mg oral doses.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 04:35 |
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Mark,
Slow-release is the ideal way to provide a steady drug concentration. It is without peer, for example, when one wants to sleep without having to wake up for another Benicar tablet every 4 or 6 hours However, when the immune system is challenged, the slightly higher peak concentrations from separated dosing may, or may not, have a different ability to displace bacterial ligands from the VDR, I just don't know.
I would imagine a combination of slow and fast-release would work best, although you would need to keep multiple stop-watches running to remind you when you took the last dose of each, I think
Maybe a combination of slow-release and sublingual dosing may be even better. Again, I just don't know, as Yetvart has never shipped me any of his formulation, although I did email him a few months ago...
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Markt9452
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 04:59 |
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I think I might just continue with the time release as things are going really really well with it.
Yetvart has been pretty good to me and I will continue to order from him as I think it's important to support the only Canadian source of Olmesartan supplied with lots of business so that he will continue to keep it going.
Yetvart seems confident and professional although I will have to learn French to have any kind of meaningful conversation with him. The language barrier might be why the email wasn't returned?
But really how hard is it to formulate this stuff anyways? How different could the different products be? I mean aren't all the formulations just raw Olmesartan from India or China mixed with a binder and some kind of coating?
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JohnMcC
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 11:25 |
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Hi Mark,
I feel similar - I don't know any other formulation - but I am getting the effects that I'm supposed to.
Until Yetvart is required to stop what he is doing I don't mind utilising his product.
Dr Marshall, I have emailed Yetvart several times without response and recently I made the mistake of emailing my order with script - he didn't respond.
I called and it was probably filtered as spam. I only had 5 days of beni left - he shipped priority courier that day.
So I now call then fax my scripts & requests - may be an idea to actually call as he is very amenable and easy to talk with.
John
Last edited on Fri Oct 31st, 2008 13:11 by JohnMcC
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25/04/05(25D-41 1,25D-94 ACE 35)
Diagnosed by biopsy Jan '93 Lung,lymphnodes, skin lesions X lots, depression, fatigue.
25/09/08(25D-30 1,25D-63 ACE 35)
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Maureensew
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 07:03 |
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Hello all, I have been getting benicar from Yetvart as well. I fax my prescription and then send the original prescripton by mail. I phone him the next day to check that he received my fax. I find if I ask for Yetvart I am able to communicate with him. I have been able to order 20 mg immediate release and 40 mg timed release from him. When I phone I make sure he is clear about immediate release and timed release. I use the timed release for my regular 40 mg benicar dose Q6H and the 20 mg immediate release for SL. I get the immediate release in 20 mg caps. I open the capsule and drop the powder under my tongue. I receive the benicar within 2 weeks.
Blessings to all! Maureen
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Markt9452
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 09:27 |
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That sounds like a really good way to go Maureen. I don't know anyone else using both. Are you noticing much a difference between the TR and the regular?
I know when I use the TR sublingual it kinda turns into a little doughball and doesn't really melt like you'd want it to. Well... unless you leave it under there for 8 hours.
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