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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 20:45 |
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Hi!
My diagnosis is CFS/FM and I've been on the MP for 3 months so far (whoo-hoo!) . I've already noticed that my pinkish-red, puffy gums are returning to a nice shade of light pink again and my gum recession (I've been told that I "brushed my gums away" when I had braces) is diminishing. My joint aching is gone for the most part, and I'm weaning down on one of my anti-depressants. Also, my seasonal allergies seem manageable now that I'm off of allergy shots (to be on the MP), even though I couldn't go without them previously for almost 20 yrs. without getting a sinus infection or bronchitis!!
I think it would be very encouraging to hear from others what unexpected improvements they've seen from being on the MP so far. It might help us recognize improvements in ourselves that we hadn't noticed and give us some possible things to look forward to...!
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 21:45 |
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Elisabeth,
Great to hear of your improvements! I kept a list of symptoms, and noted their progress as I went along. But what actually happened was that I had to keep adding to the list, as more and more things resolved that I'd never thought of as part of my illness - indeed, some of them I'd never realised were anything abnormal at all!
But if I were back in your position, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I might expect, because they were such lovely surprises 
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Elisabeth
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 22:19 |
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Thanks Julia.
I imagine I'm going to get MANY surprises (and I can't wait!).
ELisabeth
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 23:38 |
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Hi Elisabeth,
I found the gum improvement to be the earliest surprise....and it was such a nice one; since I had had periodental disease all my life and must have owned every gadget known to man to improve my gums. My mantra used to be "have toothbrush will travel". It is such a validation of the correctness of the science behind the MP.
I wish I had made a list of symptoms at the outset. Every now and then it will occur to me that something is no longer there or no longer happening. But my memory doesn't serve me well, so I forget them.
Ah....the ability to read and retain was a big one for me. I can now read books again and remember what I read. Waking up actually feeling refreshed is another. There are dozens more like that....I just can't think of them now.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 00:05 |
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Hi Elisabeth,
I had something similar in my first few months of MP. On one side of my mouth I had tissue near a crown that was always tender and swollen for over 18 years. I would tell my dentist every time I went for a cleaning, he would look and tell me everything looked normal and to try flossing or rinsing more--now completely gone. On the other side my jaw always seemed swollen and my teeth did not come together nicely-- now completely gone! There must be something to gum tissue healing quickly...A nice surprise for sure!
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Elisabeth
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 19:44 |
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Thanks for sharing Aunt Diana!
It's so encouraging to me to hear about waking up feeling refreshed; I really look forward to that day. Right now FATIGUE seems to be a major part of my herxing (along w/ jaw/gum discomfort - TMJ too!). When I was younger I used to "spring" out of bed and thought that wasn't so any longer b/c I was the dreaded "over 40" *gasp* *sob*! But, then I got "diagnosed" and found the MP, so am hoping for more bed springing in my future - ha!
I also used to have MAJOR dental problems even though I brushed at least 3 times and flossed daily. My X (who wasn't nice) used to joke that someday all of my teeth may fall out; I often wondered if they wouldn't myself. I've had 4 root canals, an apicoectomy (an incision is made along the jawline and a root canal done from the "bottom up"), and even finally had one of them pulled by an oral surgeon. I had to BEG him to pull it, since there were no signs of infection on the X-ray. One night my jaw pain was so bad that I contemplated pulling it myself b/c I was SURE it was still abscessing.... Ahh the horror stories we would tell (if we could remember them)!! 
Have a great day!!
Elisabeth
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:57 |
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Becoming less angry - completely unexpected. I don't think I realised how angry I was all the time until it has decreased a bit and I have become calmer.
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Elisabeth
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 20:02 |
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Wow! That's encouraging.
I think I probably feel angry a lot - but then I have 4 kids!! Go figure....
Elisabeth
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natalie17
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 01:45 |
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My hair grows much faster now. I always wanted it to grow grow grow and it just sort of sat there, now it grows super fast, even my friend/hairdresser commented... Strange!
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 03:41 |
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Pre-Mp I had constant build up of tartar on my teeth - it's now gone - haven't had any for months.
Probably stacks of other things which I will post as I think of them
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Elisabeth
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 04:09 |
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I just realized today that it seems like my tear ducts are producing their own/adequate tears now.
About 10 yrs ago I was told that they weren't producing enough tears and have gradually been using more and more artificial tears - especially upon awakening in the a.m.'s. When I would wake up my eyes would feel so dry it was scary and my eyes would literally BURN when I put the drops in!!!
. . . and I've only been on the MP for 3 mos - WOW!
Elisabeth
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 08:33 |
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PaulT,
Same here about the disappearance of tartar. After a couple of years on MP, my dentist commented on how well I was looking after my teeth - he had very little cleaning to do. I told him there was no change in routines, just that I was on the MP! Now (four years on MP) he doesn't need to clean them at all
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Elisabeth
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 20:50 |
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Wow! I hope that I get to the point of not having to have my teeth cleaned! After 4 root canals & 2 rounds in braces, I am SO DONE w/ oral procedures!! I always wonder out loud when I'm there why someone doesn't invent a "muffler" for all their "equipment". It's enough to rattle a girls' nerves!! 
However, I'm not gonna tell my kids about this, otherwise THEY'LL wanna start them MP - so they don't have to brush their teeth (ain't gonna happen while THIS mama's around!)
Elisabeth
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natalie17
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 03:19 |
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I'm hoping for dental improvements - I had 11 fillings done in 2 weeks when I was 16. I just had my 13th done yesterday. Both my grandmother's had dentures by their mid 20s.. I don't want to end up with that!
(I'll be 22 in September).
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 03:55 |
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Elisabeth,
If your Kids are Th1 compromised (and I will lay odds they are) then no amount of brushing will have any effect on your kids' tooth decay, nor the erosion of calcium from them, over time.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 04:40 |
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Elisabeth - I believe I am proof of what Dr. Marshall said above.
I brushed 3 times a day as a kid, ate a lot of calcium, didn't have a sweet tooth and still my teeth are in the condition they are in. I needed about 10 fillings in my baby teeth but my dentsit only did seals as she didn't se the point in filling teeth that were going to fall out.
I was Th1 compromised obviously..
Then you look at my brother, who is 20. Used to brush his teeth once a day if lucky, wouldn't eat anything but desserts half his life and lived off cordial (I was a water drinker) and he's never had a tooth problem his whole life.
Then there's the extreme of my grandparents - Nonna with dentures by the age of 25, Nonnoo (grandfather) is turning 80 this year and still has not needed a filling or any dental work. My grandparents are both otherwise very healthy and active (touch wood), but wanted to mention as the contrast is insane.
Of course Nonnoo always makes fun of me..
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 04:57 |
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Sorry this is off the topic of improvements but while we're comparing grandmother's teeth .. . . .. mine took herself to the dentist at age 15 and had ALL her teeth pulled - I'm not sure what her parents said when she got home. The family legend said she was sick of cleaning them and thought that dentures would be less trouble  - anyway she spent the next 70 years complaining about the dentures (and incidently suffering TH1 symptoms badly).
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Elisabeth
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 21:15 |
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nnOK you guys! I had a couple of busy days and am just now getting back to posting....
Dr. M - Yes, I believe too that my children are Th1 compromised (as well as my mother and grandmother - who's 2 B 97 in Sept; the MP would KILL her!).
Darn it! Is mothering ever anything but a guilt trip?!? They say that 'your 1st child survives IN SPITE of you' (b/c of lack of experience/skill), but I believe now they're ALL surviving in spite of me! Obviously I'm aware that I didn't CONSCIOUSLY/PURPOSEFULLY pass on these bacteria. In fact, if I'd known how ill I was/becoming I probably would have opted not to have children at all, even though I call/view them as "the loves of my life"....
My 1st dtr has Psoriasis & hypoglycemia (yes, she got those from me, but hers Ps. is much worse than mine).
2nd dtr has depression (I can remember my 1st depressive feelings over 5th grade X-mas break; didn't know what they were), (?) anorexia nervosa/bulemia(?) (I was anorexic/bulemic my Sr. yr H.S.), seasonal allergies & on allergy shots (I was on them ~20 yrs) + EXTREME allergies to even fruits, etc when eaten w/ resulting anaphylactic shock sx's; carries medicine w/ her ALL THE TIME just in case.
Son has seasonal allergies & on allergy shots, hypoglycemia.
3rd dtr seems "normal" - whatever that is, but for the sake of context will define it as Th1 sx free at present!
. . . and then there' my husband; as "heatlhy as a horse" so to speak , but unwittingly married into a family of "sickies". And to think that we were hopeful that he'd be training me to compete in marathons and triathlons w/ him...!
Sometimes I want to say to the 3 oldest kids: "OK guys, You wanna be on the MP NOW or LATER?!?" I'm sure they'd all say "No!!!!" right now....
It's hard not to feel guilty/sad when you come to understand you've unintentionally brought disappointment, sorrow and pain into people's lives that you love so much. Unfortunately I guess that's just a part of the HUMAN EXPERIENCE....
Natalie - My mother has quite a similar dental history to yours. Talk about a "clean fanatic"(!) and that includes her oral care, yet cavity after cavity after cavity. She's had quite a few of her teeth pulled over time due to continued such....
PaulT - I think your story was quite "on the subject", besides being sad/hilarious all at once!
THE POOR WOMAN!!!!
To me that's like the extreme acting out of "A stitch in time saves nine"!! I've never heard of such "preventive measures" before & wonder what made her even think of that "intervention"; I guess she'd not had much experience around folks w/ dentures?!?
Thanks for sharing. A little humor always lightens the load I think!
Elisabeth
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 00:44 |
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I am always amazed at the number of people on this site who have had peridontal disease and found relief on the MP. I've lost five molars, but then again, I hit a tree going 60mph at age 20, knocking the tree down and rolling and having to have emergency surgery on my wisdom teeth two days later--and so, plenty of people lose molars in the years after an accident like that.
I NEVER had plaque. My gums always looked great. I could go 10 years in between cleanings. Now, on the MP, I know when I'm having significant IP when the plaque builds up such that I could clean my teeth with a metal pick every day, no amount of brushing would take care of what is going on.
Improvements that surprised me? How quickly minor urinary incontinence went away (a common problem for women as they age, particularly when they've had kids...thing is, I never had kids).
Also, I only had the beginning of peripheral neuropathy in both feet (slight tingly that never went away once it started) and one wrist the year before starting the MP, and it is totally gone now.
Oh, and symptoms that suggested hypoglycemia totally went away. I never could have fasted before and I do believe that that is something I could do now (but will hold off trying until I am well).
Claire
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k wrote: Becoming less angry - completely unexpected. I don't think I realised how angry I was all the time until it has decreased a bit and I have become calmer.
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Ditto! By nature I've always been pretty easy going but still noticed the irritability that would kick in. Lately this has changed for me, it's very interesting to see even much more patience in my life since improving with MP protocol!
Personally, I have been amazed by partial return of vision in my left eye. I was legally blind in that eye since a neurosarc flare in 1990. Fortunately my right eye was not affected so I have relied on one eye all these years. When I started MP, I would think to myself is this at all possible and would periodically shut my eye to see if any improvement. I posted just a few months ago that my sight had improved by approximately 50% and plan in August to have another visual field to update with exact results. Will post these results!
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