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ocallamp
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 18:01 |
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Hi to all,
I was surfing the internet and found an interesting treatment called RevImmune. It uses high doses of a chemo drug to kill the immune system. The drug eliminates your entire immune system but leaves stem cells in your bone marrow and blood intact. Stem cells are apparently resistant to the drug due to an enzyme that breaks the drug down before it can destroy the cell. These stem cells eventually (beginning about 7 days or so after treatment) "reboot" your immune system.
This got me thinking. If the immune system is basically killed, would the CWDB also be killed or at least significantly reduced? Would it actually give the recipient somewhat of a jump start on cleaning up the bugs (provided that you could survive the heavy duty drug!)? Would doing the MP after this finish off the other bugs?
I'm interested to hear the responses to this.
Maureen
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JohnMcC
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 18:34 |
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Hi Maureen,
Just my 2 cents....sounds very dangerous to destroy our only protection.
If I understand correctly, stems cells have CWD bacteria too, so the re-created cells would still be infected.
Best to allow the MP to continue to heal you in a very natural way - let the immune system do the work it was intended for and avoid the harsh chemicals. Our immune system is a very powerful tool, just ask anyone going through stage 5.
Best regards
John
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Joyful
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 21:21 |
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Hi Maureen. 
There have been many times when I have been working my way through the MP when somehow my mind can't 'rest' in the process. At those times, I 'surf' the internet to try to understand more of what is happening in this healing process. And it occasionally I happen upon an idea that seems like it is compatible or helpful in some way. But since I am still working on restoring my own 'brain power' I find that most of the time I just end up causing unnecessary worry over what is the right thing to do.
I am bringing this up on this thread because the MP sites have a rule that we don't promote alternate treatments and that helps to protect people struggling through the MP from that unnecessary worry that comes from trying to learn how to get through the MP *and* think about all these other complicated/confusing non-MP concepts.
However, you are not actually promoting an alternative, just presenting a question about how this might fit (or not) with the MP. The best place to bring this up for discussion is under the general questions with Dr. Marshall. The lifestyles forum isn't actually for science discussions, right?
My two cents is that John is right. There are indications that the stem cells are infected. I know someone who used this treatment for RA. She lost her hair, was completely disabled from the treatment (it is chemo, remember), and she is not free from her RA as far as I know. Also, if this is the same treatment mentioned on the perspectives forums, a certain percentage of the people trialed on this treatment died. 
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Aunt Diana
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 05:28 |
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Maureen,
I would be very reluctant to believe these claims in the first place. After all I have learned since I've been doing the MP, I simply do not believe much of what big Pharma and modern medicine are cooking up.
My husband has been on three different medications (all of which are touted every night on TV and that claim to do this or that wonderful thing) yet, in reality that have practically killed him. Within days of his eliminating them his symptoms dissappeared.
Currently we are dealing with the fourth of these...a mixture of a blood thinner and a diuretic. We have just figured out that this is what has been causing his terrible dizziness (he can barely walk across the room) and his persistent cough that exhausts him. (My husband, by the way, is a huge strapping muscular guy...to think that this one pill a day can take him down like this is unbelievable. ) Yet the doctors keep prescribing these meds, even they know of these deadly side effects.
I don't believe a word they say anymore.
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Freddie Ash
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 13:05 |
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HI MAUREEN
This is Fred in WV. Here is my 2 cents worth on this subject. I see an alternative medicine doctor. He sells other treatments. He wanted me to try one of his.
I told him he had forgot one thing. He said what was that. I said Dr Marshall says nothing can kill these bactiera that casues these disease except your own immune system. The antibotics only let your immune system find the bactiera. So the Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that will work. Now doctor tell how your treatment will kill the bactiera. Remember, you can not cook it out, clornate it out, or filter it out. So tell me how your treatment can do what the Marshall Protocol can do. He never gave me an answer.
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
Freddie
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Pipistrelle
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:20 |
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Google iatrogenic, death, USA and you'll find many references like this:
....statistical evidence is cited by Gary Null PhD, Caroly Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD and Dorothy Smith PhD in their recent paper Death by Medicine - October 2003, released by the Nutrition Institute of America.
".....The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251."
The challenge for the lay person is distinguishing good science and good medicine from bad, and good doctors from bad. Most people blindly trust their doctors to do the right thing.
From a UK perspective, the private (profit making) sector is smaller than our NHS state medical system, which the vast majority of people use. I'm sure in the UK there is a problem with iatrogenic deaths too, but within the NHS the profit motive to gain from people's trust and misery is reduced (not eliminated, as there are performance bonuses for doctors).
The foundation for good medicine is good science, such as Dr Marshall's. Really people need to critically evaluate much more what they are told by their doctors, and on the internet, but sadly not everyone is capable of doing this.
Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:22 by Pipistrelle
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