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Lottis
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 13:06 |
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 We are a family of loving animals, most of all dogs and horses!
For many years I have been dreaming of combining my Physical therapist skills by working with animals as well. Having the experience from the MP, I am excited to hear if anybody have experiences from treating any animals, according to the science behind the MP.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 13:51 |
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Lottis, you might like to contact Dr Greg Blaney.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 13:53 |
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| Will do, dear Dr. Marshall!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 21:37 |
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For some time I had the idea of suggesting to Dr. Trevor testing a version of the MP protocol on livestock to be used instead of the regular mega dose antibiotics the industry is currently using (specially in the third world) to secure their herds from illnesses & to guarantee more meat & milk production.
Unfortunately this production becomes contaminated with that high amount of antibiotics residue that reduce its future effectiveness against bugs.
For instance, I know that animals like cattle, goats & sheep got infected with an incurable disease called Johne's disease that resembles Crohn's disease in human.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johne's_disease
I think one obstacle for this idea will be the cost of Benicar.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 10:31 |
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Cost of Benicar is high. Do you wonder why? The price is set by pharm companies depending on the target market - antihypertensive, once per day dosing. Thne manufacturing price is 10-15 time lower. Try to look for Olmesartan Medoxomil in China. Price per 1 kg is 1300-1900 USD.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 10:49 |
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Yes, the cost for the olmesartan is an obstacle. Hopefully somebody could get the Sankyo company to do some research in the area.
In my opinion I think Veterinarians often are more open minded viewer towards medical science. I might have to do with the lack of all "social interactions" that medical doctors have with human patients. 
It also has to do with that animal owners are not able to spend as much money on medicine, since the lack of insurance coverage, and it forces the veterinarians and owners to lock for alternative treatments and faster solutions.
I have to share with you this web page from the Swedish speaking part of Finland. It about fish health and the common situation with infections among them, and the use of vaccinations. One common finding, for instance, is adhesions in the abdomen, which they right away conclude is a sign of inflammation, but is is wishful as an effects because it helps to prevent futher inflections...
If you ask a gastroenterology if a person has this same symtom, he probably just tell you that this is very common and it comes from operations you have done and not to worry about.
Sometimes I wish I was an animal instead, so I would get treated by a veterinarian! 
/Lottis
Last edited on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 11:20 by Lottis
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 11:16 |
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RZ wrote:
For instance, I know that animals like cattle, goats & sheep got infected with an incurable disease called Johne's disease that resembles Crohn's disease in human.
RZ, That was an interesting link you gave us, which led me to the science behind, and the fact that paratuberculosis is absent in only a few parts of the world.
All ruminants are susceptible to Johne's disease, which is sometimes called paratuberculosis. Infections have also been seen in a variety of non-ruminant species including rabbits, foxes and birds. Horses, dogs and non-human primates can be infected experimentally. Paratuberculosis is found worldwide, with Sweden and some states in Australia the only areas proven to be free of the disease."
Maybe we can find some kind of similarities in the Th1 exprssion in humans among these areas as well!? That would be interesting to look into. I am Swedish...
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Freddie Ash
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 12:03 |
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HI ALL
This is Fred in WV. It has been proven that all animals get the same diseases that humans do. They get the TH1 diseases from some of the same places we get them, example of one is food we eat. We feed the animals some of the same foods we eat from our table. Now they get that bactiera fromt the foods and now even the pets foods has added vit-D to most of them. Even the bird feed that I give to the wild birds says on the package that it has vit-D added.
At one of our Autoimmune Support Group meetings the lady who organized the group had an article about how patients had autoimmune disease, their pets had the same TH1 diseases, such as Lupus. Horses have sarcoidosis to name a few.
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us. Even the pets.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 15:35 |
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Hi, All,
My computer has been in the shop and continues to be. I have only very limited use of a friend's.
Aussie Barb remembered that I had written the below previously.
Hi, All,
You have wondered whether animals get the same CWD bacteria.
I can attest that So. Am. llamas can get the borrelia burgdorferi bacteria, as you well know is a CWD bacteria. We have had two of our llamas tested by the Bowen RIBb test, and they were POSITIVE at the highest dilution, 128.
One of the llamas died in birthing. The cria was still-born. The vet said the cria probably died two weeks earlier, and triggered the toxin condition that caused the mom's liver to fail, that the mom actually died from. The cria may have been infected with Bb to cause her death. I did not test the cria, but wish that I had.
A daughter of that older female also died under the same type conditions of her mother, while in her first gestation. I suspect that she must have had borreliosis, also. We did not know that the mom was pregnant, so was not expecting her delivery. We just found the remains of the cria near the mom. Some animal had gotten to the cria, and there was not much left to have any blood or even tissue to test.
The second confirmed case of borreliosis is still alive, but refuses to mate with any male. She must know something is wrong intuitively. She is the first of the two that I had tested. She was our best Public Relations llama...gentle, sweet, loved to be petted, etc. We sold her, along with some others. Sometime afterwards, the buyer notified us that her disposition had changed to the opposite. She was grumpy and irritable! And was chasing the other llamas away from their food, etc. We wondered about her!?!? Then, it darned on me. She was acting as I felt and acting... grumpy and irritable. We had her tested with the Bowen RIBb test. She was our first POSITIVE, and at the highest dilution ratio.
We have another female llama that appears to have a bad case of arthritis in her knees. She hobbles very slowly around the fields, and is always the last to come in. She almost died summer before last. We think that she was giving up psychologically. She went down, literally, and stayed down. That usually means a llama is going to die. But we gave her around-the-clock attention for almost a full week, and she pulled through. She is a dear!!! She loves to have her back scratched. But she has never mated. It is as though she knows. I have often thought of having her tested with the Bowen, too. Perhaps, I will someday to confirm my fears.
I wanted to give her oral mino, but the vet said that because they have multiple stomachs as the cows do, we would have to give her mino by injection. That is what we used to pull her through when she went down. We intend to give her more mino by injection if I ever get "cured" myself, and able to direct the building of our retirement home on the acreage. We live eight miles from the property now, and could not attend to her as we would like.
That vet seems to be more open about the idea of borreliosis than most medical doctors that I have talked to. Except, the State of Missouri Dept of Health official Vet, who is as closed minded as the medical doctors. He lives on acreage so I have asked him what will he do if he gets bit by a bad tick. He just looked at me. He was one of the four persons on the Committee to hear my Petition to include borreliosis as well as Lyme disease as a reportable disease by medical docs. My Petition was turned down.
The llamas get lots of sunshine. We do not feed them any vitamin D to my knowledge. They might get some from the grasses and hay that they eat.
Your questions about animals getting the Th1 inflammation is a very good one! I think that they do. I know of a dog, too, that most likely died from Bb.
Dark Vader (aka, George)
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 16:47 |
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HI GEORGE & ALL
This is Fred in WV. George thanks for all the info about your allamas. The story that the lady had at our ASG meeting had was about a dog(not the ASG lady) and the doctors could not figure out what was wrong with it (does this sound like something we all have heard before - no diagnoses). She had Lupus and she ask the vet if it could have lupus like her. The vet check it for Lupus and sure enough it had Lupus.
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
Freddie
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 07:32 |
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Hi Lottis:
Dr Thomas McPherson Brown pioneered the use of antibiotics to treat rheumatic diseases fifty years ago. His work is the subject of a book, The Arthritis Breakthrough by Henry Scammell. Some of the first publicity Dr Brown received was in the local press in Washington DC when he successfully treated a gorrilla at the National Zoo. I believe this was in the '60's. The gorrilla was suffering from terrible inflammatory arthritis and Dr Brown gave him a series of clindamycin IV's, inducing a complete remission.
I'm not sure how you give a gorilla an IV!
Anyway, it's a great story.
Carol
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Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 15:33 |
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My daughters dog Leila, 1 year and four months, has been diagnosed hyper allergic. 
She is sensitive to 30 allergens, 8 of them being food.
5 grasses, 3 weeds, 5 trees, 6 fungi, 1 house dust, 2 indoor stuff, jute and tobacco smoke.
The vet had to send the analyze to the States. http://www.vetallergy.com/pages/testingpanels.html
I am wondering about how the canine VDR receptor is different from the human VDR?
How different is the affinity and does olmesartan work as a meaningful agonist? 
Would it be important to include the olmesartan in the treatment for her?
Is minocyclin something veterinarians use often?
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Posted: Tue Feb 17th, 2009 10:08 |
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Hi again, animal lovers!
I found a really helpful veterinary guide from Merck, and this part is about the immune system reactions;
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/60100.htm
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Freddie Ash
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Posted: Tue Feb 17th, 2009 12:12 |
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HI ALL
This is Fred in WV. Did you see in the news today about the chimp that went on a rampage?? The first thing that came to my mind was it had a TH1 disease. Then as the new cast told the story they said it had been treated for Lyme Disease. It was most likely getting too much Vit-D in its diet too. It is an old chimp so it had "OLD PEOPLES DISEASE".
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
Freddie
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Freddie Ash
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 23:31 |
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HI SARAH JANE
This if Fred in WV. Sorry you could not find this, but I bumped this up for you and any others that have not read it. I hope this helps.
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
Freddie
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| In the US, feeding animals is a 'science'. Well, what this means is that feeding animals supplements is a way of life for farmers and for pet food manufacturers. I searched far and wide, and could NOT find a cat food that did not contain vitamin D, including the raw frozen foods in feed store freezers. Finally settled the problem by making my own cat food by grinding up whole chickens, bones, skin (about half), and all the organs that come with the birds, and then adding a little taurine. It is tough trying not to have your pets force fed vitamin D. And you wonder why no one realizes what they are doing to their pets. Veterinarians haven't a clue about this, so I don't really think to much of them. Haven't gotten to the point of trying Benicar on my cats yet, and probably won't until the fall. Cynthia
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 12:04 |
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Hi, and thank you Freddie for taking up the subject again.
I got a PM from another dog owner, and it seems like the dogs that have been tried on the MP, benefit from olmesartan, or at least, it has a definite effect on them.
It seems to act on at least one dog, in some way that the dog seemed almost tranquilized, by a small dose. If olmesartan is anti inflammatory that might be a possible response....I am only guessing. I still have not got an answer on the possible effect on the dogs VDR.
About the vitamin D addition in animal food, it is the manufacturers that always have been very alert about food supplementation. And of course they ride on the current misunderstanding about the vitamin D and fish oil effects.
We will have to make Leilas food our self, when we start her on the treatment. It will also be less expensive, so that is just a bonus for her.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 18:16 |
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| Yes, my current cost of homemade cat food is less than 1/2 what I was spending on a very good quality low carb commercial cat food. I am getting California grown/hormone free (or so they say) chickens from Costco, a discount store, at $.99 per pound, and there is very little waste. Cynthia
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I've written before about our aging Yorkie, Chloe. She will be 14 next month or 98 in doggie years! Yesterday around 9 a.m. she had a seizure, something she has never had in all her years. Rolled on her back, peddling her legs, foaming at the mouth, disoriented, it was pitiful. Then again around 1p.m. I called my daughter over and we drove the few blocks to the vets. All of her bloodwork came back ok,so they told us to chart the seizures and they would put her on anticonvulsive medicine if needed. She also had a hemorrhage in her left eye.
At home, she had three more seizures by 7 a.m. this morning. So I decided at this point at 14, it wouldn't hurt to give her a tiny dose of Minocycline. I kept thinking what if these were actually mini strokes. Well, needless to say, whether it was the Mino or not, after the Mino she has not had another seizure. (Knock, Knock on Wood!)
As Minocycline is now used for stroke patients within 24 hours of a stroke, I am really wondering if this was in fact a blood clot that Chloe was suffering with yesterday. All I can say is, thank goodness I had my Mino stash!
At this age, any extra time with my little darling, is priceless!
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Posted: Thu Jul 9th, 2009 11:15 |
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Deb, how is Chloe doing now? It is 24 hours since you last wrote.
What dose did you give and how often?
I read about the study from Israel more than a year ago, and I have been waiting for further comments about the minocycline treatment in the acute stroke phase.
It is a huge groundbreaking discovery and I really hope Chloe can benefit from this.
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