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eClaire
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 04:02 |
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 dette, THAT made my brain hurt. Ooooh, can you tell I'm having neuro IP? Claire
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expate
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 14:00 |
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I know. I'm just getting frustrated at having to/trying to understand science. I held a false belief that it is knowable in a finite sense. The M Pathogenesis is teaching me this.
And it seems that great leaps in science come from the vision of the scientist rather than any change in the nature of the world.* It's like a great artist bringing his/her vision to the world enabling us to see it like never before even though it's been there all along.
It's just that I never thought about science like that before. Well, honestly I never much thought about science at all before...
... and I'm finding it challenging.
 dette
*That is not to say the world isn't changing. I'm just thinking "essense" here.
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expate
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 16:05 |
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OK, I keep bulk foods in cannisters. I only keep a label if it's an unusual item for me, like Whole Grain Bread Improver, but not for flour, sugar, rice, bread crumbs, dried legumes, etc. So imagine my surprise when buying a new bag of rice to find that it is fortified with folic acid, etc.!  I mean, I don't often eat rice these days, but still... leave my food alone!
And OMG, my husband bought some Italian style bread crumbs (which I used to use pre MP. Now I use matzo crumbs) and I couldn't believe the number of ingredients in them. Really. There must be at least 25 ingredients, including high fructose corn syrup. In bread crumbs!
*steps off soap-box*
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eClaire
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 16:40 |
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Yes...even whole wheat pasta, which did not (as a rule) have folic acid, often times has folic acid added. I can't believe I actually have to read the labels of whole wheat pastas now. It is getting worse. It is not just our imaginations.
Claire
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Aunt Diana
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 15:10 |
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| I find there is only one kind of rice that is not "enriched" and I have to check the label carefully each time I buy because they make two variations and they look exactly alike "Vigo" Jasmine rice, imported from Thailand. There must be 5 shelves that take up 5 ft. horizontally in my supermarket but every last one of them is the exact same product (if you read the ingredients). It's insane. Maybe if we truly have a depression it will bring things back to some kind of sense. (although that's a high price to pay for sanity).
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 04:33 |
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How about the plain cous-cous? It doesn't seem to be fortified.
The far east brand is the name I believe. It tastes alot like malt-o-meal if you get the
plain, however you can jazz it up.
...I haven't called the company but it looks to be Ok??! cooks in 5 minutes.
Wally-world carries it.
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eClaire
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 04:37 |
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Oh how much I wish I liked the flavor of cous cous, but it is just one of those things like quinoa that I cannot stand and I like most foods. Good idea though.
Claire
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expate
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 14:22 |
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OK Claire, what about grits? Huh? Same catagory?
I love grits (yes they have folic acid added, but I did indulge last week), especially since a friend told me the secret of having them be really creamy is to add, well, cream. Who knew? But I use 1/2 and 1/2, and it works just fine. 
So, Sunday night dinner was scrumptious leg of lamb steaks that I'd marinated in ovile oil, garlic, fresh rosemary, black pepper, and lemon all ground together by pestle, with asparagus lightly sauteed in butter and finished with lemon, and... grits. Very simple but delicious!
*off to breakfast, is hungry now*
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magsmom
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 15:57 |
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Hi All,
These recent posting have inspired me to go philosophical, but my herxing is in the way of colorful script so you others who are creative can fill in the gaps!!
IAW Mariams - Seems we MP'ers are becoming more fortified 'mentaly' , ( & therefore physically), the more labels reading, educated and MP compliant we become on this journey we are on. Huray Huray!! - - -
So the more we try to avoid all the fortification the more 'fortified' we are becoming, in a good way!! Magsmom
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Pronunciation:
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verb
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for·ti·fied; for·ti·fy·ing
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Middle English fortifien, from Anglo-French fortifier, from Late Latin fortificare, from Latin fortis strong
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15th century
transitive verb: to make strong: as a: to strengthen and secure (as a town) by forts or batteries b: to give physical strength, courage, or endurance to <fortified by a hearty meal> c: to add mental or moral strength to : encourage[/url] <fortified by prayer> d: to add material to for strengthening or enriching <fortified milk> intransitive verb
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eClaire
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 18:39 |
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I knew MSG could be found in foods without it being labeled (to be MSG it must have a certain percentage of glutamate--if I spelled that correctly---, I believe, and so if something falls under a certain level, the offending chemical is still there but not named as such).
I picked this up off a Ziem site to help folk with chemical sensitivities and thought you'd be interested (I always knew that "natural flavors" and "autolyzed yeast" and "yeast extract" were offenders, but here is more).
Excito-toxins include aspartame (Nutra Sweet) and monosodium glutamate (MSG). Unfortunately, MSG can be in foods WITHOUT being listed on the label. Additives that contain MSG (without listing MSG on the label) include autolyzed yeast, yeast extract, calcium caseinate, sodium caseinate, hydrolyzed protein, hydrolyzed oat flour, hydrolyzed plant protein, plant protein extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and textured protein. MSG is usually contained in bouillon, broth, flavoring, malt flavoring, malt extract, natural beef or chicken flavoring, seasoning, stock, again without any mention on the label.
MSG kills nerve cells by allowing excess calcium to enter the cell. Animals exposed to MSG become obese even with modest or lower food intake. Since Nutra Sweet can have the same effect, people consuming excito toxins may be unable to lose weight normally by dieting.
Excito toxins in liquid form (soups, beverages) are more dangerous, since they are rapidly absorbed. Glutamate from MSG remains high in human blood longer than in any animal tested. Junk foods contain the highest levels.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 20:30 |
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Hi eClaire,
I think MSG is almost completely impossible to totally avoid because of labeling. One of the reasons is that I suspect (have no proof here) that it is now being added to meat at the meat counter. If you will notice most of the meats (especially chicken products) all include the note that they come with a "10% solution" or "broth" or something similar. Now, adding salt water is bad enough as they are boosting the weight and making it more expensive, but who is to say that "broth" doesn't also have MSG? Would be a nice trick to make people addicted to their product.
Adding broth or salt solutions is not all bad if done at home. It is called "brining" when you soak your chicken in salt solution and it makes for better results, but I sure would appreciate it if they didn't do it for us!
When I was being treated for thyroid cancer these meats would have been off limit because I was told to avoid all iodine. No added salt for me during that diet. Salt was okay, if it was iodine free, but who knew if they had already added it. It has been 5 years since that miserable diet, but I think it would be much harder to do now than it was then!
Oh, and if you think you have no worries if you are a vegetarian, not so fast. I've heard rumours that they even dust the veggies with MSG. It has no "taste" of its own, unlike salt, so you would not know it was there. I'm not sure if that is true, and one would think washing would help, but really it can be added to anything, and its addictive quality is well known.
I love MSG, and I think I have taught myself to detect it in some cases. If you give me chips, for example, and ask me which ones have it or don't, I am pretty sure I could tell you. And I don't have any immediate reactions to it like some people do, but I truly, truly wish there were laws requiring it to be labeled under every circumstance! Still, with all the sources of ingredients now in foods, labeling is getting to be tricky, and I have sympathy for manufacturers trying to be competitive and sell food when 90% of the population doesn't really care what is in it as long as it tastes good.
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eClaire
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 00:03 |
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Speaking of spraying it on veggies. I remember in the last year or two that there was a move about--lobbying the FDA--to spray vegetables in the field with glutamate so they'd taste better. Apparently, organic food grower lobbyists were in on it because glutamate is "natural."
The thought scared me to death.
Here we have a society that is getting sicker by the moment and more susceptible to the negative effects of excito-toxins and producers of vegetables--organic and not (not saying all organic producers would get behind this)--were wanting the ability to do this (and probably without having to disclose the use...just like we don't know what pesticides are being used by non-organic farmers). (Wish I had the link to the report where I heard that. It was probably NPR.)
Brave new world.
Claire
Last edited on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 00:03 by eClaire
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expate
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 20:43 |
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Gawd, I'm so depressed reading all this.
OK, I came here to get opinions on the following. I'm working to get D levels down and have heard calcium might help speed the process.
I got so overwhelmed in the store trying to sort through the FIVE HUNDRED DIFFERENT FORMULATIONS THAT ARE LABELED AS "CALCIUM".
So, any with Vit. D were obvious "outs". Here's what I ended up with:
Calcium (as Calcium Citrate [85%], Calcium Carbonate) 250 mg. tablet
Other ingredients: gelatin capsule, magnesium sterate, watercress leaf, dandelion root, and parsley leaf.
I know we're not to take any concentrated food products, and this has some. IDK, if I go back to get another one, WTF do I get? Can you tell the Grump-O-Meter is high today?
 dette
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Markt9452
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 21:08 |
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Apparently, organic food grower lobbyists were in on it because glutamate is "natural."
I've been telling people about this stuff for years - it's just marketing
Can you tell the Grump-O-Meter is high today?
Odette - You don't need those supplements - Your high Grump-O-Meter reading is a sign that what you are allready doing is working...
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expate
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 00:38 |
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You're right. Slow and steady wins the race. I'd just read on some thread or another that the calcium might help D levels come down faster.
I know this is IP grumpiness. My husband knows it too.
dette
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 04:43 |
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There is some Calcium Orotate by Atrium that is pure calcium.I get it at a local pharmacy it's phramciuetcal grade. supposed to be more absorable.
also seen in on the web It's tablets seem to dissolve easily and you only have to take 2-3 aday and they are not horse pills. 20.00 a bottle I think for a hundred and 20.
I feel like magnieusm is helpful to if you can tolerate it. I get additonal acid but then it also helps with the muscular pain so I vasilate between using it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 16:01 |
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Thanks.
dette
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