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goobygirl
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 05:08 |
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I also stopped using Kabana. I liked it better before they made it easier to spread. It seemed like I had greater control and it wasn't as greasy.
The last tube I bought in May 2008 and sent it back because it ran out of the tube without squeezing. I talked to the owner, Erik, and he sent me another tube. I even tried putting it in the refrigerator (I was visiting Fla) and it helped a bit. But it started doing it again.
Plus, the new stuff had a pink pigment to it. This made my skin turn whitish, (and I think it had a higher zinc content) but it made my skin look awful ashy. Since I have a mediterranean background, my skin usually looks olive. Adding this crayola "flesh" colored cream to my skin was not pretty (not that I cared that much).
Since then I found a sunblock that is for kids (doesn't run, supposedly waterproof), with titanium dioxide (?) I think and for UVA and UVB and SPF 50.
I know we are not supposed to use the sunblock as a security blanket, and to cover it up is good, but I use it consistently and am using buy two tubes a month.
I need to find some more good sunblocks that are highly effective, will look around the site again.
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goobygirl
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:33 |
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Elisabeth,
If the butter doesn't mention any Folic Acid or Vitamin D, is it ok to eat? I looked at ours and it simply says cream and salt. No folic acid, no Vit. D.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:55 |
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Hi goobygirl. 
Butter does contain 'vitamin' D naturally.
On the topic of foods for the MP, the goal was to avoid getting more than a certain amount of D per day while on the protocol.
If I'm remembering correctly, the advice given by Dr. Marshall at some point was to stay below 17 IU of dietary D per day.
I went back to my notes found these figures:One tablespoon of butter is approximately 6 IU
One egg yolk is approximately 24 IU (> 17 IU, so avoid)
Therefore, butter is to be enjoyed... in small doses.
Update: I found a better number for milk:One quart of milk is approximately 50-80 IU [1]
Therefore, one cup of milk is approximately 12-20 IU
[1] Adachi,A. and Kobayashi,T. Identification of vitamin D3 and 7-dehydrocholesterol in cow's milk by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry and their quantitation by high-performance liquid chromatography. J.Nutr.Sci.Vitaminol. 25 (1979) 67-78.
FOODS TO AVOID Dairy products should be free of added Vitamin D, and contain no more than 6% of Vitamin A.
: 6% of Vitamin A restriction is only used as a guideline to suggest that a product might also be fortified with Vitamin D and not labeled as such. eg. not referring to carrots. High Vitamin A only applies to dairy products ONLY.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 10:41 |
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Joyful, Thanks for that breakdown, I will occasionally have a 1/4 cup of skim milk on my oatmeal or with raspberries! Although, now I understand that half & half has no vitamin D...which, I had no idea. Would be yummy in the no fat version on oatmeal!
Note: Knochen just reminded me that no fat has too much *stuff* in it--so on his advice stick with the regular Half & Half and dilute with water to mimick milk!
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 13:55 |
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Wouldn't Half and Half have the same sort of Vit D or more (because it is half cream) as at least whole milk that does not have D added?
Joyful, thanks for the note on the limit, as I had not picked up on that (though I think there is little chance of my exceeding the limit daily...at any rate, my D labs are in the therapeutic range).
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 14:39 |
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| Claire...Well, I have to be honest...I have not been to the grocery to check the Half & Half but had another MP'er who is pretty knowledgeable tell me so...so I'm posting on a hunch!!
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 03:46 |
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Ok, I think I remember the postings about the butter. I go easy on butter anyhow, but I do have it occasionally.
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 04:28 |
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I used to quip when discussing dietary choices that my three favorite food groups were: "salt, fat, and crunch"
I have dropped the potato chips due to the oils used these days. 
I'm sure glad I still get to eat cashews, almonds, pistachios, and popcorn (made with 50% coconut + 50% organic red palm oil -- for that old movie theatre flavor).
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thelymelight
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 23:37 |
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Hi Joy,
I believe coconut oil is also a NO-NO for us...as it has alot of affects on the immune system.
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 03:49 |
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Well, actually, I believe that enjoying coconut oil in your foods normally--in moderation--is within the recommendations for a reasonable 'MP diet.'
Using it daily or adding it to your diet or in large quantities as a 'supplement' could be a problem, especially if your diet was not providing much oil or fat to start with.
I could be wrong! But that is my understanding, for what it is worth.
Long winded pontification begins here...
We should be aware that all items that go into our mouths for digestion 'affect the immune system' and some items (coffee, apple skins, spices) affect it more than other foods. Also, concentrated amounts of foods can affect it more than the amount you can chew on your own (hence, the recommendation to avoid large amounts of vegetable and/or fruit juices).
One could argue that olive oil affects the immune system. According to statements in articles indexed by PubMed, it is a Cox-2 inhibitor (at a much milder level than Advil).
If the claims that coconut oil is immune enhancing are because it contains lauric acid, then the very same claims should be made for butter too, as it also contains lauric acid. Is it because it contain saturated fats? Research indicates that all saturated fats 'enhance' the immune system.[1]
Please, don't assume every assertion in this article is true, but there are some significant research findings about saturated fat listed in The Skinny on Fats by Mary G. Enig, PhD.
If we eliminate coconut oil because it is 'immune enhancing' then to be consistent, we must drop butter and other foods with saturated fats too. The problem is, we most likely would be creating more harm than good, due to the need for these fats (in moderation) for cell integrity, calcium utilization, liver function. proper utilization of essential fatty acids and heart health.
And contrary to the popular press (which we all know is always spot on  ), Dr. Enig writes: "The scientific evidence, honestly evaluated, does not support the assertion that "artery-clogging" saturated fats cause heart disease. Actually, evaluation of the fat in artery clogs reveals that only about 26% is saturated. The rest is unsaturated, of which more than half is polyunsaturated."
[1] Kabara, J J, The Pharmacological Effects of Lipids, The American Oil Chemists Society, Champaign, IL, 1978, 1-14; Cohen, L A, et al, J Natl Cancer Inst, 1986, 77:43
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 04:24 |
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| what about using coconut oil in place of lotion. I thought it was more safe in that there were no harmful chemicals etc. It works really well as a moisturizer....
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 05:10 |
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Coconut oil has never been listed as containing 'D' and it sure is more 'natural' than the chemical soup in most lotions.
*I am not an expert here.* I use it in tiny dribbles on my lips when they peel and a little around my eyes sometimes at night.
Moderation. It's all about using everything in moderation. It all affects us in some way. 
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 05:50 |
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| I believe coconut oil has a natural spf of 7. It's great for your skin. I love your "long winded pontification" Joyful. I agree completely. Your knowledge is very helpful and informative.
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 16:39 |
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 WalMart is no longer stocking Hodgson Mill All-Purpose, Unbleached Naturally White Flour -- no Vit D or Folate. Are there any suggestions for another source, other than on-line?
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thelymelight
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 22:27 |
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Joyful,
Thanks for the info on the coconut oil....I had thought that way too..especially about the EFA's that we need to protect our cells etc...but I was avoiding it...when you say you have it with popcorn, does that mean you make your own popcorn and drizzle the oil on it... Sounds yummy!!
We were at some friends for dinner on Friday nite and we had baked butternut squash that had been sliced into rounds, and spread with coconut oil on both sides..it was baked for 20 mins a side..was it ever good!! Not so watery, like when you bake the squash in halves with water in the dish...
I was using the coconut oil to fry my egg whites in it for breakfast...but didn't buy anymore when I ran out...
Maybe I will get some again.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 06:53 |
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| Carol - I live in Alaska and buy the Hodgsons Mill Unbleached All Purpose Flour with no D, no folic acid at our Fred Meyers chain store. Not sure where you are located because Fred Meyers is a west coast chain, but it does carry the Kroger store brand products. Kroger, King Supers, Frys - they are all the same corporation. Maybe check at one of them in your area??
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 13:28 |
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http://www.hodgsonmill.com/find-a-store/
A moment on Google, forever in your bookmarks.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 13:30 |
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Hodgson Mill also have an online store where products can be purchased! Sign up for their specials and email alerts.
http://www.hodgsonmill.com/recipe/
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 13:31 |
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| hahaha! Knochen...wow, were our minds ever traveling at the same speed!
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 05:14 |
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Knochen and Deb,
I will check into these two options for Hodgson's Flour. Thank you guys, so much!
I know it's healthier, but has anyone checked out whether it is more cost-effective to grind your own grain, than to buy, let's say, Hodgson's Flour?
I'm just in a lazy mood, 'cause I could just pick up the phone and find out what grain costs at the health food store.......yada yada yada.......but maybe someone out there has already done the figuring. The grain mill for my Kitchen Aid would be about $120 and I would likely bake 5 to 10 loaves per week. Recommendations for grain mills will be gratefully received as well.
Carol
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