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Posted: Sun Sep 6th, 2009 07:38 |
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After the early adopters are off enjoying their new, healthier life... those of us in year 2 or 3 are asking: "when will enough be enough?"
See this article in the knowledge base: Length of the Marshall Protocol.
There are examples of some who thought they were 'done' with recovery from Sarcoidosis, but it seems the most recent thought is that staying on the Benicar fairly frequently is important for more years than originally thought.
And yet there is one case of a young man who treated his psoriasis for a year and stopped. (Not a good general example as he was on it at his mom's request and didn't really get the science part of it.)
Some use the MP like a recipe out of a book and think that all they need to do is finish all the antibiotic combinations and then they can say they are 'done'. I don't agree.
In my case, I have so much IP on Benicar alone that I am thinking that I may be using Benicar for a good long time with a gentle increase in functionality. (Or at least that is the movie playing in my head.)
In the case of Sue Andorn, she is looking good here: Interview with Sue Andorn – Lyme, Babesia.
It looks like Gene is still working through his recovery, but very happy to remain on the MP as long as it takes, especially considering he has beat the cancer diagnosis: Interview with Gene Johnson – sarcoidosis, bladder cancer.
So, how would you, today, choose your end point?
What symptom has to be resolved before you are willing to start to 'coast?'
Do you think that might change after you get further along?
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HI JOYFUL & ALL
This is Fred in WV. First thing that I want to say is that I am in it for the long haul, ever how long it takes. When I first found out about the Marshall Protocol they (at this site) were talking about 18months to 3 years to do. So in my case I thought that with my age it would take my 3years to 5 years, becasue I would have a heavy bacteria load than most. I have now been on the Marshall Protocol for 4 years plus 120 some days now. So I am here for how ever long it takes.
I think the problem that is most to cure is my heart problems and some calcification problems (make sure this stops). I have come a long way in my heart symptoms clearing up. It will take some time for the calcification to clear up. I am not sure how the calcified lymphs will effect my cure becasue I saw where Dr Marshall said something about the removal of the nodes that we needed them for our quicker recovery. So I am not sure if the calcified lymph nodes will slow my recovery or not.
Joyful ask, "DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT CHANGE AFTER YOU GET FURTHER ALONG?" Yes, things do change as we go a long in our recovery of these TH1 diseases. We find better ways to do things and ways to improve the out come of these TH1 diseases.
So I am in it for the long haul, ever how long it takes. I want my heart problems to be cured. And yes, things change for the better all the time here at the Marshall Protocol site.
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
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Well, in my recent post in "Becoming less light sensitive" I mentioned that I expected to be "well" for all intents and purposes at about 2 years out on the Gaussian curve of less and less bacteria in my body, tho will keep up the Beni much longer. I am nearly at max Phase 3, and will be at about 11 months.
Sheila-Fl once asked me how would I rate my illness preMP on a scale of 1 to 10, and my answer was a zero. Well, of course, in retrospect, I would call it a 2 or 3. Most ills were considered the usual aging, and the swelling in the pads in my back was kept down with omega three oils. The inflammation in my hips was unrecognized because of the lack of functional nerves there, and the lack of hip range was attributed to my back problem, as that is where the pain occurred if I tried to pull my knees up, and as long as I didn't try to pull them up, there was no pain. Without the omega three oil, I suppose my rating would have kicked up a point or 2 (or more, but I never would go long enough without the oil to find out). I don't think I would have come to the MP if it were not for a Calcium problem that no doctor could ever 'see' and after 13 years of it, it only got very marginally better, and I had to ask myself what was the end game, and could, of course, find no answer.
So, maybe it would be interesting to get some feed back from others on their sense of what they would have rated their preMP illness and how they are progressing thru the MP. The degree of bacterial load is certainly going to affect the length of time to recovery. Cynthia
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Good thread. I will say that when I began the MP, I thought I would be pretty much finished with it in a single year. I was not terribly symptomatic. In fact, my diagnosis was "hypervitaminosis D". I'm now in month 14 of the MP.
One of my main symptoms (that I did not even know was a symptom), hot flashes, improved dramatically just in the 3 months of limiting vitamin D in my diet before I began taking Benicar or wearing NoIR's.
Another symptom, which again, I did not know was related at the time, tingling/numbness in fingers, stopped the very first day of taking Benicar. It took probably about 9 months for the accompanying pain and weakness in my wrists to be totally eradicated, but it totally went away!
But I really do need to figure out how much longer to go with this. I still am light sensitive, but not horribly so in comparison to where I was. I do not use NoIR's indoors and have even begun opening the heavy curtains in some rooms at some times of day, leaving the blinds closed. This is a great relief to my husband, who has borne my need for darkness valiantly.
I know that I still have some distance to go:
- some skin issues pop up
- I still have tinnitus (better but not gone)
- I'm wondering about uterine fibroids and what might happen there (they no longer cause me problems due to treatment before going on MP, but I'm kind of hoping they don't "remodel" as i don't know what that would do to the "embospheres" used to block their blood supply)
- I still have some gastrointestinal ups and downs that I expect to get better
- Still having some bladder IP
- There's a spot of tendinitus on my ankle that I'm kind of using as my MP thermometer... when it goes away, I'll be done. But that's kind of silly. It seems to get inflamed perhaps with my Z cylce and not in relation to use.
- I definitely want my energy level to be better
Otherwise, things I wish would get better that others have reported getting better:
- eyesight
- feeling of well being (I've been off my anti-depressant since just before beginning MP and have done amazingly well... still, there's more I could benefit in this area)
- consistent mental accuity
OK, I'm going to stop blathering now. I guess my biggest hope is to be able to dress normally again. I've already begun to wear sandals (Yay!) but still use gloves and long sleeves. I do occasionally wear skirts that leave a bit of leg out. However, I still spend most of my time indoors with only 20 minutes to an hour outside most days.
I suppose my goal is to be able to go on vacation next summer (to Greece) and be able to enjoy myself without too much inconvenience.
Whew,
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Posted: Sun Sep 6th, 2009 17:47 |
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Given that I was a premie (see research on higher amounts of bacteria in amniotic fluid leading to premature birth), had ear infections and allergies as a baby, began having intestinal issues at 5, CFS symptoms at 8, am now nearly 54, and felt close to death when I started the MP, I looked at the estimates, which included about 5 years for those with CFS, and I figured 6 years.
Now, three years in, I am hoping to be able to be in school by year 6, and I hope to be working by year 8--that would be five years from now. However, if I have to be on Benicar for 15 years to make sure my immune system is not so overloaded that it begins to spiral down again, I will do that.
So for me functional, having as much energy as I had 10 years ago (about 4 years before I became totally disabled), is the goal. That would be cure enough regardless of the meds I am on.
Right now, my symptoms are so much more tolerable that if I had that amount of energy, I would feel better than I ever had in my life.
The reduction in all my other symptoms is incentive enough to keep going.
... and my light sensitivity is getting better all the time--the house seems positively pitch dark at night now with the little night lights on in a few places to help my housemates negotiate in the dark... frankly, I don't know how they've been doing it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 7th, 2009 01:42 |
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Maybe forever.
When I started the MP it was thought to be a 2 year program, more or less. Phase 1 and 2 to cure what ails you and phase 3 to clean the cupboards and under the furniture. And I was already in credible but incomplete remission from the Road Back antibiotic protocol. That is, I had much of my pre RA life back, but I still had issues with fatigue, constipation and residual, mild pain in my fingers. I was better but not cured and I had plateaued on AP, no more progress.
It took me a quick year to get to phase 3. In MP phases 1 & 2 got massive herxing in all sorts of tissues and I had dramatic wonderful improvements. But by then we were realizing that phase 3 was more than clean up. Lots of my early adopter friends were getting their MP butts kicked in phase-3. Me too. I have been on phase-3 for 3 years and I am still on half doses, 1/4 Zith, 50mg Mino and 1/4 to 1/2 of a clindy. Arguably I am half done with phase-3 based on how much dose I am taking. But I could stop MP tomorrow, or continue for the rest of my days and be at peace with either decision.
Phase-3 was very, very hard for me in the beginning. My dominant symptom was neuro-herx; crap cognition and/or inapproprate emotions. I had killed very few microbes in my head on phases 1 & 2. I had very little RA after mid phase-2, still have very little. But I was shoveling microbes out of my mind on phase 3. My neuro herxing on phase-3 was severe, career and marriage threatening, and it lasted about 2 years. I even had grand mal seizures one evening. I babied my doses so that I could keep my job and my family. But the neuro stuff mostly cleared about September of last year, about a year ago. I took a long MP break to take stock; and to decide whether to continue.
I decided that I like, I really like the gains I am making on the MP. I also like being smart and effective again. God, I have missed my mind. I am 97% or so cured of the RA that brought me to the MP, but I would like to go on improving. So I have reasoned that provided I have, oh, say, 85% to 90% of my faculties then I am willing to stay on the MP forever. That is what I am doing. I am trying to maintain a baseline dose that is well short of tolerable herxing. Instead I am now dosing for barely detectable herxing or perhaps very workable herxing. I am doing that at just about the exact same dose that was turning my mind to mush a year ago. Now it elicits modest herxing all over the place elsewhere. It shows up as light sensitivity, or some stomach upset, or as muscle fatigue when exercising, or maybe a word salad day, though not often. Lots of things. Sometimes some RA inflammation for a few hours. I can live with all of that. I can live with it forever as long as I can dose down if I need to be more capable or effective for some reason.
So, I don't know, but maybe I will be on a minimal MP for a long time. And I am happy with that. 
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Posted: Mon Sep 7th, 2009 16:47 |
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The more I read about bacteria and the symbiotic relationship we have I don’t think we can ever let down our guard.
Aseptic lab technique requires a ventilation hood, UV light (before and after experiment), along with many other precautions to prevent bacterial contamination of the test just from the atmosphere. This points out that we are surrounded and covered with bacteria. It is not a stretch to say the internal body is also contaminated.
We need an "industrial strength" immune system for life.
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Posted: Mon Sep 7th, 2009 17:35 |
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Oh John, I find your post so encouraging.
I used to be very bright. Now, I read so many comments on the MP thread that are not only way over my head, but I couldn't figure them out if I were given chemistry and biology lessons at home every day for eight hours straight. (Not that I would necessarily expect to be on the same level as Marshall! And I am happy to be able to get the gist of what is being said... enough to know that I am on the right track.)
My brain, however, is just no where near what it used to be. Yes, I miss my mind more than anything.
Oh, I've accommodated and there are careers I could have with the mind I have left (once I have some energy) and I'd do just fine in them, but my mind was my pal. I'm an introvert and I could entertain myself for hours contemplating one issue/problem/challenge or another. I was never bored with my own thoughts; most often entertained. (As you can imagine, grounding me as a child was not an affective inducement or punishment.)
So I have no trouble with the MP for life and continuing to move upward and onward! Count me in on having an industrial strength immune system for life!
Thanks for the encouragement.
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John,
I'm with you! When I started the MP I thought I would barely make it through the first few weeks. Every inch of me was responding at different times with different IP. I was sure I would just bump up my meds and "move on"...
As I've settled into a very long haul through Phase II, I realize that I may be on the MP for much longer than I could have expected and I too am ok with this. I pace myself also in order to manage working a few days a month and living somewhat of a normal existence. There is always a lot going on with my body that I have learned to "cope" through. I have seen big improvements with taking on a project, like a recent family reunion that I organized but also realize after I go through a sort of recovery period with my body after I do such things, that would seem a normal life to others.
I have no doubts with the level of illness my body is at, that I may be one of those on the MP for years. Yet, what improvements I have seen have been huge strides for me. With this I realize how fortunate for me and others, that we will have these years to be on the MP. I did not come into the MP thinking that it would take years---but totally expected to breeze through the protocol and be well after a couple of years. The realization that this process was not going to be an easy or quick fix for me, has sunk in over the last few months and a sort of acceptance kicked in on it's own-- the MP is now a part of my life that I'm very grateful for!!!!!
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Well mine is a slightly different issue. I am on the one hand happy to stay on the MP forever. (Although I would really like to become not highly sensitive to the sun!).
My issue is, I wonder if I will be able to have children? I'm 33, almost 2 years into the MP. Granted, pre-MP, I was too sick for this to be considered a possibility. But now I wonder, might I become well enough to have children before my biological clock goes kaput? (Note, biological clock is not the only issue here, I don't have a man yet either! (I know I know, you don't technically need a man these days anymore, but a man would be my preference)
I know Dr Marshall did some work on fertility earlier on in his career. I am fully aware that MP and pregnancy are contra-indicated. But I do wonder, if I did happen to meet the man of my dreams or even a man (I have much more realistic expectations these days! ; ) ), how long might I need to be off the MP before trying to get pregnant? And are there any adverse risks from having been on the MP? (I've no doubt that having been on the MP would have plenty of benefits - less CWD passed on etc).
Anyway, this is all highly theoretical at the moment as despite my efforts at dating, an eligible bachelor is no where to be seen on the horizon!
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All those questions aside, I'm 99 % sure Benicar and pregnancy are definitely counter-indicated.
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Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2009 03:44 |
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Yes, they are. That's what I stated in my post. MP and pregnancy (and nursing) are contraindicated.
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Somewhere it is stated that a cure is pronounced when all the the disease symptoms are gone and test results are negative. However, I have been thinking about my idea that the on set of disease symptoms is likely caused by bacteria reaching the quorum sensing limit (do a search on quorum sensing if you are not familiar with this). If, in fact, it is such that we don't get symptoms until the bacteria reach a certain level, then the corollary has to be that we are not really free of the bacteria when we no longer have these symptoms. So, for determining when we are cured, I would expect that we will need to maintain the MP well beyond the point of being free of symptoms. In my progress I now think of a symptom clearing up as that point when the level of the causative bacteria for that symptom drops below the quorum sensing level.
Stopping the MP too soon may just be buying time until the symptoms are back again. I guess the real time to stop the MP is when there is absolutely no way to stimulate IP with any amount of ABx. Stage 5 would seem to be a help here, but I would still go back to testing with the ABxs after Stage 5 seems to die down just to be sure.
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| k, a couple of women have come off the MP to have babies. I will try to find the links to their progress reports. Meanwhile, try this page: Pregnancy and fertility.
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Oh thanks so much Joyful! I didn't know that! I try to keep an eye-out for such people but hadn't come across any! That is good news!
Thank you so much!
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Cynthia, I am right there with you with the quorum sensing.
I had always envisioned my body's health as spiraling downward. Each new symptom set may well have been when a certain bacteria reached a quorum. The more symptom sets the faster the overall spiral. I've always thought that health would mean getting to a point where my immune system would be in charge enough to cause the spiraling to reverse (that is, it would be over the hump, the tipping point and able to handle the bacteria in the system). I do believe that point is somewhere before the point of a quorum. Probably a good deal before.
Although I was unable to do regular phase 2 last fall, it is my belief that one day I will be able to do that and the 3 abx combos. Even if that day ends up being beyond a stage 5 experience. If the point is tolerable progress, then it doesn't matter if someone does Ph1, mod Ph2, Ph1, as I have done... even if this leads to stage 5 only to be followed by more abx.
I have the time (NOW, thanks to the MP) and the will.
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Hiya,
I am in my fith year of the MP, my sixth year of avoiding D, my sarc x rays were deemed "normal" after just a few months of MP therapy. I have done very well, I know that and consider myself very fortunate.
I first took really ill in May 2004 and received my sarc diagnosis. I researched the disease obsessively at the highest level and by June that year I had concluded that the only expert in the world that made any sense was Dr Marshall. I knew straight away that he was on the right track and had probably cracked one of mother natures biggest secrets. It was a huge blow to hear the bad news about "herx" but I knew that I had to do it. I knew that after 10 years of zero immune response I was harbouring loads of bugs and that I had a lot of catching up to do. I knew that it would necessarily hurt. It did, I had bad IP, I had bad light sensitivity, I had bad everything but I knew that my body was at last catching up with all those intracellular bugs, killing them and healing, I knew that my immune system was working again. I have watched over these five years as all of my disease symptoms have gone into reverse.
My MP history is,
May. 04 Dx sarcoid
Jun. 04 Avoiding D and light
7. Nov.04 Pulsed M
1. May.05 Phase 1 M
21.Jun. 05 Phase 2 M+Z
25.Dec. 05 Phase 3 M+Z+B
5. Mar. 06 Phase 3 M+Z+C
8. Mar. 07 Phase 3 M+Z+B
7. Jul. 07 Phase 3 M+Z+D
26. Sep. 07 Phase 3 D+Z+C
24. Jan. 08 Phase 3 D+Z+B
13. Feb. 08 Stage 5 no abx
Every one of those combinations was a battle, a big battle.
You will see that I have been on Benicar only for over 1.5 years. I still get IP  . But I am still getting better  and better and better . I would like to know where this will end and how I will feel when it is all over LOL.
My best guess, realistically, based on my past experience, as too how much longer this will take is probably another two years. But that is to be totally rid of all my current IP. Maybe some new ones will appear along the way? I don't know the answer to that and I don't care at all, not one little bit, I am happy! My life, my x rays and my blood work are all normal now.
We folk here are setting the precedent for those who will follow and those who are following now. While ever Prof Marshall is here helping people like me with His web sites I will be here too.
Death to the bugs .
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wow, Patrick
you set off another of my recurrent brainwave sets:
given that in theory every cell in our bodies turns over in a seven year period, and allowing that the colonies of microbiota which invade us can prolong life of infected cells so allow 1 extra year................ I guess that for most of us a target endpoint is 7 or 8 years from whatever starting point we make...... maybe even including the pre-MP work some people do with the Minocycline R.A. killer programs (which metaphorically win the first battle but not the war).
Many people I expect will have a truly fit enough immune response to come off some time before the 8 year hypothetical max. run on MP I suggest here; as per Claire's post, or for personal reasons such as planning career moves or pregnancy. This comment is purely unaffected by " what you tell yourself, and believe, is then true for you and you act (or think) accordingly".......I am past planning career moves or pregnancy
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I don't believe in cures, so I guess I see the end point as death. The struggle against a chronic disease is.....well, chronic. That being said, I am now in remission. I have no noticeable symptoms. I have not been on abx for several months. I still take Benicar 2-3 times a day (depending on whether or not I remember the midday one). Future treatment depends on what the future brings.
Throughout treatment my goal has not been cure, but getting as much of my life back as possible. I have been more active than many, and was out in the sun (protected) more than most (perhaps all). Although I often paid the price of excess, I also learned where my boundaries were and was able to be as active as possible. When my disease symptoms were gone, I still maintained treatment while it still induced IP. After a few months with no IP I stopped Abx. Will I go back on Abx? Probably. In a few months I may add the abx back in just out of curiosity. Will I stop Benicar? Maybe. I am staying on it for now. Tomorro? Next year? I can't plan that far ahead.
Ken
"Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure." Helen Keller
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 01:41 |
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I once believed in the idea that our cells renew themselves every 7 years. However, taking into account that cells are dying and new ones are being born, the opportunity for endless cell to cell infection is there, particularly when you see some of the videos of cells sharing microbiota directly with other cells. Unless, of course, olmesartan disables this process by keeping the immune system aware of that sort of thing. Perhaps it does.
So for me, I've given up the idea of seven or eight years until we know more. I'm just going to stay on the MP until I have no more IP and then stay on olmesartan alone for a long time after that. Perhaps by then we'll have some idea three olmesartan or one olmesartan a day or one a week will help the immune system keep the bacteria in check (on average... again, I imagine it will depend on the person's personal bacterial load).
Claire
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42mo on MP; CFS FMS MCS COPD hypermob IBS/GERD osteopor; 125D48 25D<4;
NoIRs during most daylight outings; Ph1.Dec06 * ModPh2.Jun07 * AbxBrk.Mar-May08
* Ph2.Oct-Nov08 * Ph1.Jan09 * Olm.alone.Jun10
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